The Bible would say that consulting a spirit is demonic. Does Satan exist? Can you define Satan?
Hilarion: This is clearly, by your religious way of seeing things, a negative aspect in all people. To externalize it is to discharge responsibility about such matter. That is too bad, because then you simply can pin it on the church or various rituals or other things you might do to clear Satan from your life. Satan is a concept. It is an energy. Certainly there are Biblical references to the fallen angel, and there are many angels, demons, and all kinds of beings that co-populate your world with you and do influence various aspects of your consciousness, your society, and other things. We don't want to deny that. But the largest aspect of this by far is established in resonance from you, from the way in which you would understand and work with these energies yourself. So, it is always back to the matter of taking responsibility for oneself.
In terms of channeling and other aspects, we have certainly already described this, how one must always choose this for oneself. But there is nothing to say that you must choose this path. You may choose another one instead. But to all of those who would look at established religion, you must ask some very careful questions about it, logical ones.
If a religion has within it exclusivity, that is, if you don't follow this particularly path, you're all going to go to hell, and that applies to the majority of the world's population, isn't it conceivable that this religion is a little bit short-sighted insofar as humanity's evolving together? If that is what you need to understand, rather than hold it as right or wrong, the proper religion or the improper one, hold for a moment the possibility that you attract that religion because it says something about your nature of exclusivity, that you would want to say that certain people are okay and others are not, as if to say certain aspects of your being are okay, and other aspects are not. In other words, always to turn this back around to oneself.
There has been a request that another speak on such matter as self- responsibility. A moment
Gurdjieff: To see into the eyes of yourself, to see in the mirror who your soul belongs to, this is the essence of the distinction between what is possession and what is real. You must see in your own heart that there is the place that knows love, but there must also be the eye to see in the mirror of the heart who is willing to love and who is not. In your aspect of life, you will come often to tremendous obstacles and you will fall back on that which is familiar. This is where doing something a little different can help catalyze an idea that has been dormant in your body, somehow waiting millennia to surface. Then, you do this. You wash the dishes at half-speed or you speak in a pitch or tone higher or lower than you would have otherwise, or you find a way to look deeply into someone else's eyes as you have never done before, not for the purpose of change itself, but to draw up in you a new way of seeing, and then to ask, "Where am I responsible for this?"
Others have spoken of this as the ability to respond. That is what we suggest, that somehow in this avenue you are seeking a new response. But deeper than this is what I would have told you. Go to work. Dig this hole, deeper, deeper. Then when you are finished and quite tired, fill it in. You would get mad at me for this. You would tell me all kinds of things, all kinds of interesting names, and then you would hear them for the first time as the names you call yourself when you are feeling irresponsible, unwilling to respond to yourself.
And so, slowly, gradually, humankind grows and learns. I have said in the past that you are not going to progress unless there are those who are also left behind. But there is, from my way of seeing it now, a higher path in which the separation is gradually dissolved, that you accept both parts of all of you. And so part of responsibility must be the response to the lowest part of yourself as well as the highest--that you can laugh at it, that you can play with it, that you can love it.
It is interesting that some have tried to base a religion on me. In doing so, in digging into my writings and other matters, have discarded personal pronouns, deciding that there is no I, no we, no me, that all can be as one. This, then, is the answer, you see. It comes naturally, as anyone would see. This blending of the higher and the lower comes to all of humanity.
Hilarion: Yes. Hilarion here. We thank you, Gurdjieff, for your assistance in speaking of these matters, and ability to generate some responses in others, because in recent past lives, many individuals hearing these words will have heard of you, work with your energy and related functions.
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